They also have very disgusting manners. During the wars of Beleriand , Gothmog , the Lord of Balrogs , had a bodyguard of trolls. Their apparently caustic blood, however, melted his axe, allowing Orcs to swarm over him and bind him, his capture ending the Nirnaeth Arnoediad , where Morgoth triumphed over the united armies of Elves , Men , and Dwarves.
During the Battle of the Pelennor Fields , there is a reference to "men-like half-trolls ", also called troll-men, but it is unclear whether these men actually had some trollish ancestry or were simply compared to trolls for some readers, the first interpretation is supported by the similar and interchangeable terms "orc-men" and "half-orcs", referring to crossbreeds of Saruman.
Originating in Norse mythology , an extremely widespread belief in its time, there are many types of trolls, each unique to its inhabitants:. The Olog-hai were actually a breed of mountain trolls. They seldom spoke and were said to know no language other than the Black Speech , in which Olog-hai means "troll-folk" singular olog, "troll".
Because of their cunning, they were incorrectly believed by some to be giant orcs rather than trolls. They appeared towards the end of the Third Age and could be found near Dol Guldur and in the mountains around Mordor. In the Battle of the Black Gate , there appear " Hill trolls " of Gorgoroth , which are implied to be Olog-hai in one of the appendices to The Lord of the Rings the term is not used within the story proper.
These were described as being taller and wider than men and their hide or armour was described as a mesh of horny scales. They had black blood. Peregrin Took slew one of these trolls at the Battle of the Black Gate and, after the destruction of the One Ring and the fall of Sauron , the surviving trolls scattered as if mindless. Torog was the Elven Sindarin name for those of troll-kind. Tolkien normally renders it as "troll" in his works. The derivation of this word is uncertain - it may be derived from old Elvish words or perhaps imitates olog, which seems to be the comparative term in Black Speech.
This section does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this section by adding citations to reliable sources. Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed. October Trolls here are shown as large humanoids of apparently mammalian nature, with large noses and tusks though Tom's have apparently been broken off in his mouth. Other than Tom, Bert, and William , several trolls in armor are seen in the Siege of Gondor in The Return of the King , as melee fighters and as operators of the battering ram Grond.
Ralph Bakshi 's animated version follows the book very faithfully in its depiction of the encounter with the troll in the Chamber; however, the troll does have toes here. From the parts of it seen through the door it seems to be a humanoid reptilian around nine feet tall. Tolkien described the troll's foot as flat and toeless. There are no other trolls. Boromir first sights it; it later barges through the open doors, and smashes much of the Chamber, including Balin's tomb, in the ensuing fight.
It stabs Frodo, who is saved by his Mithril shirt in the book it is an Uruk captain who spears him. Don't get me wrong, the book was awesome. But PJ simply took that awesomeness and expanded it into a world that I could see in front of my very own eyes and then imagine whenever I wanted.
Anaclangon has made 11 posts and is from and is not online. Posted Saturday 3rd October am. I totally agree with the idea that Goblins and Orcs are the same race with interchangable words. I think that the spawning pits in Isengard makes total sense. They were fabricated creatures. Sauruman in the movie was the absolute expression of industry he even says so in the TT. In FOTR.. In the Silmarillion one of the main reasons that Morgoth rebelled is because of the ability to create life.
The orcs were a mockery of the elves in the sense that only Illuvatar could create "true" life. Also, all the things that happen in the movie are designed to further the plot, PJ even admits that some comprimises had to be made on the cannonical front. Posted Monday 5th October am. In the book however no orc variants were fabricated in the sense that they did not reproduce sexually. Odo Banks has made posts and is a Hobbit from Hobbiton and is not online.
Posted Sunday 11th October pm. Eldorion, I suspect we share a similar view of the movies. Great job - but just not quite what it should have been! Some changes were good.
For instance, Arwen for Glorfindel worked for me - but I know it wasn't kosher. Liv Tyler is a gorgeous girl. Something about her and not just her looks. Still, I think PJ could have stayed truer to the story overall and still made a successful movie. I'd argue - a better movie. I hated PJ's wargs. I saw them and the whole scene as being unecessary. Especially as he couldn't fit in something like, say, the Barrrow-wights - or Old Man Willow.
And I sympathsize with the writers trying to give the Faramir scenes a bit more tension - but I think there was enough doubt about him in the book anyway. Why draw out his part and leave out folk like Tom Bombadil?
I know all these scenes were in different parts of the movies, but the point I'm making is that quite a few things from PJ's imagination could have been left out and and some of my favorite scenes put in.
So what if each movie was five hours long! Six movies, of course, would have been perfect. Regards, Odo. B'arelyn Dwarf has made posts and is from and is not online. Peter Jackson's wargs kinda resembled Pitbull Terriers and they were a bit too muscular to have any connection to real life wolves, which was what they were surposed to be. Folks, Apologies for getting off the track with my last post.
I got excited. As to goblins, hob-goblins, orcs and uruks, it seems that there were different races of them. Like different races of human - only uglier and nastier.
Apparently, the original orcs were corrupted elves - I think this is mentioned in the Silmarillion somewhere. The Uruk-hai were a new variety rumoured to be a horrid inter-mixture of orc and man sponsored somehow by Saruman.
I think the above is all pretty right. Sorry if I've covered stuff folk have already explained. If I'm wrong - let me know. I say, something weird seems to have happened. I made two posts one after the other - but now the whole thread seems to have got shuffled. Also, I entered my posts around What's happened? Does anyone know? Sorry guys. I've just started night shift. My brains are obviously frazzled. I am a goose sometimes.
Now that I've regained my senes! Pit bulls is close - or hyenas! Do you agree there was no need to make them something other than wolves? Regards Odo. I think everyone agrees on that one Odo.
Hello GB, You're back. It's 4am here. I go home at 6. Sleepy time for me then. Uruks are a large variant of orcs. Some families, too poor to pay for transporting the entire corpse, instead just has the head brought back which was deemed "close enough". For whatever reason the courier would wear the head on top of his own head like a morbid hat while his own head is draped over or something.
It's either to give the illusion that the entire body is walking back home or, more likely, the guy was afraid to let people know his identity as he's carrying a severed head. Whatever the case, he'd awkwardly walk back to where the family that hired him lives, bringing the head the entire way. From a distance, it looked like a corpse awkwardly hopping along the road. According to my dad, it's best to leave them alone lest you get cursed. Dad doesn't know if they actually did this like how the Bloody Eagle is passed down in oral tradition, but no one knows if it was actually done or just told to scare people but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
The Bone demon I remember came from one version of Journey to the West, where it turned into a lady and tried to seduce Xuanzang. MechaEmperor wrote: Dad says the Jiangshi hopping vampire might have had a grain of truth to it, although not supernatural. Dakka 5. Member List. Recent Topics. Top Rated Topics. Forum Tools Forum Tools Search.
The difference between Trolls, Ogres, Orcs and Goblins? Forum Index » Geek Media. Subject: Advert. When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to not do. Aaaaaand done. At the end of the day the first thing you need realize about most of these things is that the categorical classifications of monster are very modern. In the past before the Renaissance and Enlightenment period these things were very fluid, blended and mixed together all over the place, and often meant slightly different things to different cultures.
The mass spread of literature and literacy in the past few hundred years has kind of brought "popular notions" into play when before these things all would have spread orally and by word of mouth resulting in a hell of a lot of variety. EDIT: Oh, and none of these things are necessarily evil in folklore save the living dead who will feth you up and ogres who will feth you up then eat you.
Fairies, elves, and dwarves could be good or bad, but it mostly depends on the being in question. Mostly they were simply beings who existed a world apart from humanity, and possessed supernatural ability that meant you really didn't want to offend them lest you incur their wrath.
These days they tend to fall cleanly in good and evil categories but that's not really how the folklore developed. It's mostly a byproduct of modern fiction. This is partially why Tolkein wasn't particularly concerned with getting the depiction of any of this stuff exactly "right" to begin with.
As a man well versed in the folklore and myth of Europe he knew very well that all of these ideas were abstract. It's kind of an irony that he ended up cemented the modern depictions of elves, dwarves, orcs, and many other mythical creatures for future generations.
Voss Exalted Beastlord. But yeah. Trolls and Ogres are pretty distinct to me- ogres being a much later thing, and mostly big stupid brutes, while norse trolls have a pretty big range, both in size down to smaller than humans , but often intelligent, not always ugly and sometimes relatively nice, even to the point of intermarrying with humans.
Sometimes they have more of a Rumpelstiltskin vibe, where they'll do magical favors for a price. Zombies are weird, because they're relatively recent and unrelated to body of folklore most fantasy novels draw from.
Traditionally, zombies are drugged, not dead. But the shambling corpse has all but overtaken that, thanks to movies. Most of this isn't really correct. The elf dwarf thing certainly not as LordofHats says, these blend in the Nordic myths , and the magical with pointy ears isn't a consistent thing.
Vampires are weird. They're diverse to the point of being unique in places. Dragons aren't nearly as consistent or well-defined as you think. The classic film Dragonslayer happily used a dragon with wings for forelimbs as the creature. The 'classic' dragon of St. George the Dragonslayer is actually typically rendered as a wingless lizard a bit smaller than a horse.
Wyverns are a weird one, and traditionally may just be a regional term for dragon rather than something different.
In modern media, Warcraft takes a page out of the big book of stupid and calls the Horde flying critter a wyvern despite it looking exactly like a manticore and not at all like anything ever called wyvern Norse linnorms often related to dragons are wingless, generally which makes Skyrim even more campy There is basically a huge bed of literature on all these things, and none are really straightforward, partly because as made up things, and oral traditions, very little can be said to be absolutely correct.
Trolls are creatures that draw heavily from their environment. Because you have many different classes of troll, all with varying levels of sapience. Stone-trolls were trolls who turned into stone during daylight, like the trolls in The Hobbit. Cave-trolls were seen in Moria, and were also in the Ettenmoors. They were created by the first Dark Lord, Morgoth, before the First Age and served him and later his successor in their quest to dominate Middle-earth.
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